Goat, how is that? I missed the first and most of the second quarter and only heard the rest of the first half and half of the third quarter on the radio. I started actually watching the game about when the Colts retook the lead at 17-13.
If you are referring to the reversed 2 point conversion, that was absolutely correct, I called it as it happened. Once that ball breaks the plane of the end zone, by rule, the play is over at that moment. That’s just the rule. They were absolutely correct to overrule that call.
I didn’t see anything else remotely controversial. In fact I would have liked a closer look at that play where the Saints player was ruled out of bounds on the near interception in the end zone. I’m not at all convinced he was out of bounds. I think that deserved at least another look.
Drax said,
in February 7th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
It was a great game. Both Brees tore it up. Manning was great — until the Saints suckered him at a time when he HAD to score, great defensive play — how the Saints have played all year.
Yeah, I’m glad the Saints won, but I didn’t really care either way. I don’t get the “cheated” deal, or the wrestling thing, either.
I don’t guess it’s all that unusual, but the Colts beat the Saints by 100 total yards. I watched the game, and didn’t realize that the stats were that lopsided.
The pick, and the onside kick were a couple of big nails. I do feel good for them.
I saw this coming. The Saints D was under-rated, and they had shown a propensity for jumping routes late in games. I expected two picks (and I’m still not sure that they didn’t GET two, frankly). Manning can be had. I’ve said that for years. When he gets into a rhythm, on third down the Colts can be predictable. And the Saints had shown a tendency to jump predictable routes. That’s why I predicted two picks.
Manning ALMOST set the two records I predicted too… It was close.
Drax said,
in February 8th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Sigh.
An on-side kick that a Colt muffed and the Saints captured.
A block in the back on Manning on the interception return for TD which wasn’t called.
Two perfect passes by Manning which were dropped, one which was likely a TD, or at the goal line, at least.
The Saints won this game, but I sure in heck ain’t giving it to the defense. They played like they’ve played all year, working for the turn overs, missing tackles as they try to strip the ball, etc. When it works, they win. When it doesn’t, they lose.
Helluva way to gameplan. But, it worked. Having a QB who was darn near perfect and an offensive co-ordinator who (after the 1st half) who called an almost perfect game (combined with a Defensive Co-ordinator on the Colts who couldn’t seem to compensate for quick passes and simply GAVE the Saints the middle of the field) had a bit to do with it as well…
OK, the on-side kick was completely consistent with the Saint’s aggressive play calling all year. According to Sean Payton, they saw something in the film that indicated the Colts were vulnerable to an on-side kick. Then they practiced it for two weeks. It probably had a 50/50 chance of working, and Payton gambled. Sure, that was probably the pivotal point in the game, but it was pivotal because Payton saw something he thought he could exploit and exploit it he did.
I didn’t see the Peyton block in the back, but the part of the game I did see had a lot of non-calls on both sides of the ball. Frankly I’m glad. I’m tired of NFL games becoming a yellow-flag confetti experience. Everyone always says “Let them play the game!” well, this time the officials did. Besides, do you really think that made any difference in the outcome of the game? Even if the Saints didn’t score a touchdown, they still had a 7 point lead and a first down with 3 minutes left. One first down and that’s it. Even without a first down it would have been some real Peyton magic to tie the game and send it to overtime once that route had been jumped.
Dropped balls happen. Brees had a couple dropped too. Not as critical as the ones Peyton had dropped perhaps, but you never know.
Payton game-planned like an underdog. He figured that if he kicked off normally and Peyton marched down the field to start the second quarter, it would be 17-6 and that might be the end of it right there. He figured he had everything to gain and nothing to lose. That’s what you do when you’re the underdog. You go for the big unexpected punch, because you know if you stand toe-to-toe with the champ, you’re probably going to end up on the mat.
I’ve nothing but kudos for the Saints. They out-coached, out-played and out-gutted the Colts.
Drax said,
in February 8th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
I’m not saying that “dropped passes happen,” I’m saying that it wasn’t the DEFENSE which caused those dropped passes.
I’m not saying that it wasn’t a good (albeit risky) call for the on-side kick, I’m saying that the DEFENSE had nothing to do with either the call or the execution.
I’m not saying that the interception wasn’t a good (albeit risky) move, I’m saying that it became a touchdown because an obvious block in the back wasn’t called (couldn’t have missed it as a ref, it happened within feet of the ball carrier). That was a combination of several things, including: 1) The offensive play call. Had it been a stop-and-go rather than stop and get a first down (which maybe 40/60 as odds), then it would have been a TD instead of an interception because the JUMP occurred before the THROW; 2) Reggie Wayne didn’t go too deep and stutter step into a position where he couldn’t get in front of the defender (where he was SUPPOSED to be), then it ain’t an interception, and, of course, 3) the risky attempt at creating a turn over which, in this case, paid off.
This is why I hadn’t ever been sold on the saints. Going for it on 4th down when you’re down 10-3 with about 2 minutes to go in the 1/2 instead of taking the points? Had it not been for a dropped pass on 3rd down, which resulted in the Saints getting that 3 points back and going into 1/2 time only down 10-6 instead of 10-3, I doubt that the on-side kick would have been a choice.
Then the risk to “jump” the route on Porter’s interception. So many factors had to go just right, his guess on what the call would be had to be correct, else the game is likely tied with 3 minutes to go…
But, it worked. This kind of risky play calling, COMBINED with the VERY conservative offensive play calling in the 2nd half with high percentage passes, taking what the defense gives you (and the Colts GAVE them the middle of the field, playing bend-don’t-break throughout the game LONG after it was clear that it wasn’t working…) — worked for them almost all season, winning at least 3 games when the offense didn’t do squat.
I’m glad for the Saints. I just don’t if such a season can be replicated. We’ll see. New England made a dynasty by aggressive defense and safe QB play.
Drax said,
in February 8th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
But, it was a good game!
Any time you have a HOF quarterback with the ball in his hand, a TD down and 3 minutes to go, it’s likely been a good game. And, this one was!
Chasester said,
in February 9th, 2010 at 3:52 am
unless it’s Favre of course.
then it’s an interception
(had to say it)
Drax said,
in February 9th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Lol chasester!
Wait…what was it that the “greatest quarterback of all time” did with his last pass in the Superbowl?
I’m pretty sure Joe completed a TD pass to Jerry Rice, why?
Drax said,
in February 9th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Lol. You must not have been watching SportsCenter lately. The meme these days is that Manning is the greatest of all time. There are a few old guard who still pick Montana, but even Montana recognizes that Montana didn’t call many plays while Manning calls most of his, being, essentially, an offensive co-ordinator on the field.
I’m generally in Manning’s camp over Montana, but in Johnny U’s camp over Manning. But, I can see the argument from any direction. What I DON’T do is make my evaluation based on the number of superbowl “wins” a TEAM has to determine the worth of an individual. Never will. Can’t be argued into doing so. Bradshaw will NEVER be on my top 20 list, nor will Nameth, nor Dilfer, nor big Ben, etc. etc., while Kelly and Marino WILL.
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I felt like I was watching a “wrestling match”.
damn right!
Well, other than Drew Brees being the MVP instead of Reggie Bush, I think I did pretty well in my prediction.
I felt like I was watching the Black Sox series. I’m sorry but I with the up coming contract negotiations and how this game went, I feel cheated.
This was a joke, right? I take this game with as much validity as I take Hulk Hogan “winning” a match.
Goat, how is that? I missed the first and most of the second quarter and only heard the rest of the first half and half of the third quarter on the radio. I started actually watching the game about when the Colts retook the lead at 17-13.
If you are referring to the reversed 2 point conversion, that was absolutely correct, I called it as it happened. Once that ball breaks the plane of the end zone, by rule, the play is over at that moment. That’s just the rule. They were absolutely correct to overrule that call.
I didn’t see anything else remotely controversial. In fact I would have liked a closer look at that play where the Saints player was ruled out of bounds on the near interception in the end zone. I’m not at all convinced he was out of bounds. I think that deserved at least another look.
It was a great game. Both Brees tore it up. Manning was great — until the Saints suckered him at a time when he HAD to score, great defensive play — how the Saints have played all year.
No wrestling thoughts from me!
Yeah, I don’t get the WWE comparison. It was a great game.
Yeah, I’m glad the Saints won, but I didn’t really care either way. I don’t get the “cheated” deal, or the wrestling thing, either.
I don’t guess it’s all that unusual, but the Colts beat the Saints by 100 total yards. I watched the game, and didn’t realize that the stats were that lopsided.
The pick, and the onside kick were a couple of big nails. I do feel good for them.
And, oh yeah…that 114.5 QB rating Brees pulled to Manning’s 88.5 didn’t hurt the Saints either.
I saw this coming. The Saints D was under-rated, and they had shown a propensity for jumping routes late in games. I expected two picks (and I’m still not sure that they didn’t GET two, frankly). Manning can be had. I’ve said that for years. When he gets into a rhythm, on third down the Colts can be predictable. And the Saints had shown a tendency to jump predictable routes. That’s why I predicted two picks.
Manning ALMOST set the two records I predicted too… It was close.
Sigh.
An on-side kick that a Colt muffed and the Saints captured.
A block in the back on Manning on the interception return for TD which wasn’t called.
Two perfect passes by Manning which were dropped, one which was likely a TD, or at the goal line, at least.
The Saints won this game, but I sure in heck ain’t giving it to the defense. They played like they’ve played all year, working for the turn overs, missing tackles as they try to strip the ball, etc. When it works, they win. When it doesn’t, they lose.
Helluva way to gameplan. But, it worked. Having a QB who was darn near perfect and an offensive co-ordinator who (after the 1st half) who called an almost perfect game (combined with a Defensive Co-ordinator on the Colts who couldn’t seem to compensate for quick passes and simply GAVE the Saints the middle of the field) had a bit to do with it as well…
OK, the on-side kick was completely consistent with the Saint’s aggressive play calling all year. According to Sean Payton, they saw something in the film that indicated the Colts were vulnerable to an on-side kick. Then they practiced it for two weeks. It probably had a 50/50 chance of working, and Payton gambled. Sure, that was probably the pivotal point in the game, but it was pivotal because Payton saw something he thought he could exploit and exploit it he did.
I didn’t see the Peyton block in the back, but the part of the game I did see had a lot of non-calls on both sides of the ball. Frankly I’m glad. I’m tired of NFL games becoming a yellow-flag confetti experience. Everyone always says “Let them play the game!” well, this time the officials did. Besides, do you really think that made any difference in the outcome of the game? Even if the Saints didn’t score a touchdown, they still had a 7 point lead and a first down with 3 minutes left. One first down and that’s it. Even without a first down it would have been some real Peyton magic to tie the game and send it to overtime once that route had been jumped.
Dropped balls happen. Brees had a couple dropped too. Not as critical as the ones Peyton had dropped perhaps, but you never know.
Payton game-planned like an underdog. He figured that if he kicked off normally and Peyton marched down the field to start the second quarter, it would be 17-6 and that might be the end of it right there. He figured he had everything to gain and nothing to lose. That’s what you do when you’re the underdog. You go for the big unexpected punch, because you know if you stand toe-to-toe with the champ, you’re probably going to end up on the mat.
I’ve nothing but kudos for the Saints. They out-coached, out-played and out-gutted the Colts.
I’m not saying that “dropped passes happen,” I’m saying that it wasn’t the DEFENSE which caused those dropped passes.
I’m not saying that it wasn’t a good (albeit risky) call for the on-side kick, I’m saying that the DEFENSE had nothing to do with either the call or the execution.
I’m not saying that the interception wasn’t a good (albeit risky) move, I’m saying that it became a touchdown because an obvious block in the back wasn’t called (couldn’t have missed it as a ref, it happened within feet of the ball carrier). That was a combination of several things, including: 1) The offensive play call. Had it been a stop-and-go rather than stop and get a first down (which maybe 40/60 as odds), then it would have been a TD instead of an interception because the JUMP occurred before the THROW; 2) Reggie Wayne didn’t go too deep and stutter step into a position where he couldn’t get in front of the defender (where he was SUPPOSED to be), then it ain’t an interception, and, of course, 3) the risky attempt at creating a turn over which, in this case, paid off.
This is why I hadn’t ever been sold on the saints. Going for it on 4th down when you’re down 10-3 with about 2 minutes to go in the 1/2 instead of taking the points? Had it not been for a dropped pass on 3rd down, which resulted in the Saints getting that 3 points back and going into 1/2 time only down 10-6 instead of 10-3, I doubt that the on-side kick would have been a choice.
Then the risk to “jump” the route on Porter’s interception. So many factors had to go just right, his guess on what the call would be had to be correct, else the game is likely tied with 3 minutes to go…
But, it worked. This kind of risky play calling, COMBINED with the VERY conservative offensive play calling in the 2nd half with high percentage passes, taking what the defense gives you (and the Colts GAVE them the middle of the field, playing bend-don’t-break throughout the game LONG after it was clear that it wasn’t working…) — worked for them almost all season, winning at least 3 games when the offense didn’t do squat.
I’m glad for the Saints. I just don’t if such a season can be replicated. We’ll see. New England made a dynasty by aggressive defense and safe QB play.
But, it was a good game!
Any time you have a HOF quarterback with the ball in his hand, a TD down and 3 minutes to go, it’s likely been a good game. And, this one was!
unless it’s Favre of course.
then it’s an interception
(had to say it)
Lol chasester!
Wait…what was it that the “greatest quarterback of all time” did with his last pass in the Superbowl?
I’m pretty sure Joe completed a TD pass to Jerry Rice, why?
Lol. You must not have been watching SportsCenter lately. The meme these days is that Manning is the greatest of all time. There are a few old guard who still pick Montana, but even Montana recognizes that Montana didn’t call many plays while Manning calls most of his, being, essentially, an offensive co-ordinator on the field.
I’m generally in Manning’s camp over Montana, but in Johnny U’s camp over Manning. But, I can see the argument from any direction. What I DON’T do is make my evaluation based on the number of superbowl “wins” a TEAM has to determine the worth of an individual. Never will. Can’t be argued into doing so. Bradshaw will NEVER be on my top 20 list, nor will Nameth, nor Dilfer, nor big Ben, etc. etc., while Kelly and Marino WILL.
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